Xbox One has received performance upgrades since E3

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The Xbox One has gone through its share of changes, but Microsoft’s new black box has received a few performance upgrades as well.

In an interview aired today on Major Nelson’s podcast, Xbox exec Marc Whitten shared that Xbox One’s GPU clock speed has been raised from 800 MHz to 853 MHz. In addition the console is now sporting its “mono driver,” a graphics driver that is completely optimized for the system’s hardware.

“You start with the base DX driver and you take out all parts that don’t look like Xbox One and you add in everything that really, really optimizes that experience, said Whitten. “Almost all of our content partners have picked it up now.”

How big of a role will these new additions play in the Xbox One’s performance? It’s really hard to tell. Theoretically an increase GPU clock speed could bring about improved game performances, but this remains to be seen.

To check out the rest of Major Nelson’s podcast, head on over to the source link below.

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  • Guhtere

    Still nothing when compared to PS4.

    • TomDobo

      That is an opinion. The xbox will be just as good.

      • bizzy gie

        The games part is an opinion yes.

        They’ll both have great games.

      • Ducked

        Ignore him, he’s a hateful troll

    • Morris ヅ

      better games? not to sure about that

      • bizzy gie

        I think he meant to say more exclusives that are very high quality (i.e. TLOU, Uncharted, GOW, etc.), but it came across in an immature sort of way.

        Of course, who knows what games PS4 is getting?

        We know over 30 exclusives, but 12 are new IP.

        We could see a new Uncharted, but I doubt we’ll see a TLOU 2 or another GOW any time soon.

        • Morris ヅ

          yh but TLOU is this gen not next gen so…

          • bizzy gie

            So nothing.

            That’s why I stated TLOU 2.

            Uncharted is this gen too.

            So was Infamous and Forza.

            Games can transfer generations.

          • Morris ヅ

            lol seen

      • Guhtere

        Sony: Infamous, Drive Club, Quantum Dream’s game, Naughty Dog’s game, Final Fantasy IVX Online, Killzone Shadowfall, and Knack.
        Microsoft: Halo, Foza, shitty Kinect games, and slaughtered Rareware games that are very downgraded from their Nintendo predecessors.

        • Morris ヅ

          now your just talking shit stfu and get out of here Xbox one has more then just halo and forza you terd.

          knack is wak , killzone aint all that and drive club lol behave but infamous looks very good

    • RECKLESSgoat

      games? they are good but the xbox one is doing better on this part!

      • Guhtere

        Yeah with it’s 4 exclusives.

        • Arthur Hughes

          i annouced the xbox one will have 31.

  • bizzy gie

    This is good. A GPU increase could mean overall better graphics for multiplats.

    Watch_Dogs is nearly a completely different game on next gen than on current gen consoles.

    Good job MS.

    Keep it up.

  • ImperialAgent

    (I apologise for the length of this post but it’s not the kind of statement that should be thrown out without backing it up and I think it’s an important thing to say.)

    Seriously. Don’t believe the hype when it comes to the ps4… we’re yet to see one 60 fps game on it, people have reported serious frame rate drops and poor textures. That’s with Killzone, Driveclub and even a very simple game like Knack…

    On Driveclub – “When questioned, Evolution Studios confirms that it’s pushed for a full-fat 1080p presentation, falling in line with all Sony’s other leading PS4 titles. Unfortunately, this higher resolution only amplifies the low quality, blurry, flat-looking textures used across this level, which would easily look at home on current-gen hardware. It’s also a shame that, while the scenery draw distance is broad, there’s an incredible amount of pop-in for trees and waving NPCs as we approach at high speeds.”

    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-playstation-4

    Meanwhile Forza runs perfectly at a super-smooth 60 fps with tonnes of trees, buildings and people in much higher detail. Multiple games have been played on xb1 at 60 fps and the graphics are often far superior. People can use the excuse that these are early builds – and sure that’s a fair argument to some degree – but at the end of the day all these games go gold in about 2 months and go on sale in about 3. Time is running out and if the games on the xb1 are looking great and running very well at 60 fps while we’re yet to see a game at 60 fps on the ps4 and there’s obvious differences then questions have to be asked.

    Watchdogs ps4/pc unfavourable comparison –

    http://egamer.co.za/2013/07/watch-dogs-on-the-ps4-struggles-to-keep-up-with-pc/

    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-watch-dogs-on-ps4-tech-analysis

    The opinion of a dev – “The facts are on paper, the PS4 has better specs and the most you can debate is by how much,” he wrote. “What I can tell you is I have played Forza, Killer instinct, and Ryse on the Xbox One. They look as good as the games I play on a high end PC.”

    Regarding the accusations that “the evil MS corp from hell” were trying to trick everyone by showing all their games running on high-end pcs far superior to tthe shitty xb1 hardware –

    http://www.gamechup.com/ps4-has-better-specs-on-paper-but-xbox-one-games-impressive-dev/

    Regarding the accusations that “the evil MS corp from hell” were trying to trick everyone by showing all their games running on high-end pcs far superior to tthe shitty xb1 hardware –

    http://www.destructoid.com/forza-5-quantum-break-footage-from-xbox-one-dev-kits-254220.phtml

    “Yep, they’re real. Xbox boss Phil Spencer confirmed in an interview this afternoon that the footage you saw for Forza Motorsport 5 and Remedy’s Quantum Break this morning are running on Xbox One dev kits. Not renders or some other trickery, you skeptics. I know some out there were questioning some of the screenshots and footage from this morning. Stop. They’re the real deal.

    The Call of Duty: Ghosts footage we saw in today’s announcement was also Xbox One footage.

    Nice. This system is a beast.”

    http://community.remedygames.com/showpost.php?p=162656&postcount=7

    http://www.forzacentral.com/forum/threads/xbox-one-games-did-not-run-on-high-end-pcs-at-e3.39428/

    the currect dev-kits are the same as retail models – http://www.vg247.com/2013/07/25/xbox-ones-dev-kit-features-self-publishing-discussed-by-microsoft/

    Titanfall dev speaking about the devkits – “Yeah, not true. We were showing mostly PC and weren’t hiding it. We also showed the game running on proper Xbox One devkits at 60fps. Please don’t spread fud :)”

    There are more examples but you can find them for yourself. Look past the intense, thick layer of PR bullshit that we’ve had thown at us over this summer and draw your own conclusion. The games are definitely looking and running better on xb1. Microsoft have been pretty weird and quiet at times this summer. They comment a bit here and there but they’ve also not really defended themselves at times. They’ve just taken the knocks on the chin and bided their time. The day after the ps3 firmware update that turned a bunch of ps3s to bricks MS seemed to change their PR policy and released one very positive story every day for about 4 to 5 days and since then things have been quite different. The torrent of bullsh*t and aggression was ended to some degree.

    Most gamers have no perspective of the 2 companies whatsoever. Most have no idea that if there is a “console war” as its portrayed in the media then it really is David vs Goliath. Sony have been p*ssing money for a decade and have been gone from having a market cap value of over $100 billion to now being worth $21b.

    http://www.notenoughshaders.com/2012/09/08/the-ten-year-decline-of-sony/

    Microsoft are still the $265 billion dollar giant they always were while Sony are a crumbling mess. Now bear that in mind and look at Microsoft’s actions and plans –

    1. The cloud. Lots of BS has been spread about this. The truth is MS, Google and Amazon are buying up virtual real estate as if their lives depended on it. This is where they see the future going and its something that’s been a big deal for a while now. Google and MS have over a million servers and Amazon are close to that. In 2011 Microsoft spent $8.6 billion of their R&D for the year (90%) on cloud technology.

    2. Kinect 2.0 and Illumiroom. You’ve all heard of Kinect but if you haven’t seen anything of Illumiroom then check these out.

    Understand now why the Kinect had to be one with the console? This generation’s xbox is about so much more than gaming and even more than entertainment in general. The console is Microsoft’s way to bring the next generation of high tech into the home. They want Illumiroom and Kinect to be a part of the home life, business life, entertainment in general and yes gaming too. But if it fails to play games well then the console won’t sell and won’t be seen as a success. You really think they’d just commit one third of their cloud to xbox live and develop the amazing Kinect 2.0 and have all these plans for Illumiroom to then partner all that with a very, very average console??

    That’s incredibly unlikely and makes no sense. MS are a giant and Sony are a broken company. It’s time for Microsoft to take over and the could with ease if they wanted too. The games seem to be matching the efforts of high-end pcs with ease so could it be that there’s some genuinely amazing hardware in there? It’s very possible. One last link to show is of the timetable for Hotchips. If you haven’t heard of it it’s a high-end symposium where various distinguished tech geniuses and powerful folk in the tech industry meet and some present brand new high-end research to their peers. Scroll right the way down the very end. The very last presentation on the 3rd day. Microsoft – “Xbox One Silicon”. Could it be? What have they/AMD and maybe IBM designed? GCN 2.0?

    http://www.hotchips.org/

    We’ll just have to wait and see. We can’t know for sure. But this is a much fairer assessment of the evidence than the media BS we’ve been given and I just wanted to show it to you guys so you could look it over and bear it in mind as we head to Gamescom in 2 weeks and Hotchips immediately after.

    • bizzy gie

      So you can talk crap about PS4 and get upvoted, but if someone talks crap about XB1, they’re a troll?

      Only two games run at 60fps on XB1.

      Killer Instinct, a game my Wii U could run at 60fps, and Forza 5.

      Keep in mind that Sony hasn’t announced all the exclusives for PS4.

      Only 4 out of over 30 exclusives have been announced.

      According to this, PS4 will have better frame rates than XB1: http://ps4daily.com/2013/08/playstation-4-vs-xbox-one-graphics-comparison/

      • Arthur Hughes

        Time to impart some more knowledge on the the troll that he will not understand.

        Those are not the consoles. They behave nothing like the consoles. Consoles are a closed system that are completely optimized for the hardware that is in it.

        Its ok though bizzie one day you will have a bit of knowledge when it comes to consoles.

        • bizzy gie

          Yes they’re target devices and not a 100% representation of how the two consoles will actually perform, but they give us an idea.

          • Arthur Hughes

            lol you really do believe that its even remotely accurate?

          • bizzy gie

            It’s a minor representation, but gives us some basic, small idea of how multiplays may run on either.

            However, developers have stated that the PS4 will run better than PCs with the same specs due to a closed architecture.

            So PS4 would actually perform better.

          • Arthur Hughes

            Their is no representation of either console in that video. and BOTH consoles will run better then pc’s built with the same specs.

          • bizzy gie

            In very small form it is or else the video wouldn’t have been made at all.

          • Arthur Hughes

            lol, That video was made to simply get views on youtube to make money.

          • bizzy gie

            We’ll have to wait for the actual consoles for a true comparison, but we at least know that if PS4 and XB1 were PCs, PS4 would run better, but graphically they’d be equal on the multiplat side of things.

          • Arthur Hughes

            Dear god man you listen to nothing, Their was 0 representation of either console. That video did absolutely nothing but try to get hits for their youtube channel and site. Nothing about it is factual. zilch proven. the video is a sideshow that idiots go to, to try and prove a point that does not exist.

          • bizzy gie

            “But we at least know if PS4 and XB1 were PCs, PS4 would run better, but graphically they’d be equal on the multiplat side of things.”

          • Arthur Hughes

            Neither of the pc’s they used, if they even used 2 pcs. are anything like and xbox one or ps4. do you have a brain tumor?

          • bizzy gie

            They used same specs of the PS4 and XB1.

            No need to immaturely insult my intelligence.

            People die from brain tumors everyday. It’s no joking matter.

          • ImperialAgent

            oh please……………..

            at the end of the day I’ve told you what 3 times now? We don’t know the full specs of the xb1 so you can’t even begin to do some silly, rough experiment like that. Surely you at least need to know the feckin gpu and cpu even to have some sh*tty little shot in the dark…..

            But no you carry on and ignore that point…

          • bizzy gie

            I’m not ignoring anything.

            They probably used an 800MHz (which was actually confirmed to be true), 1.25 teraflop, 12 texture compute unit, 768 shader core GPU and a 1.6GHz CPU which is believed to be inside the XB1.

            We know the GPU 100% (now 853MHz). We also know the RAM.

            It’s the CPU that needs confirmation.

          • ImperialAgent

            and Ryse is 1.2 T? Seriously??

            /facepalm

          • bizzy gie

            Developers have been able to utilize XB1’s hardware very well.

            The XB1 is a good console with good games.

            However, the XB1’s GPU has 1.25 teraflops. I understand that’s considerably low, but it’s fact so I hope you’re facepalming at yourself.

          • ImperialAgent

            Some of those specs have been announced but if the gpu is gcn 2.0 then that throws off any sums that we could do. It’s something I could try to demonstrate mathematically to you but I’m not going to speak above my station. I’m no tech genius so although I can follow calculations and logic like that to some extent I’m not going to try and talk like that, you can research it yourself if you’re interested.

            Regarding making tech-based comparisons Penello (of MS) used the term “rumoured specs” when discussing making tech-based comparisons at this stage. We don’t have the full specs, they’ve said this.

            … and you can’t run Ryse on 1.25 T that’s not just very very efficient and great optimisation. It’s impossible.

            anyway that’ll do for tonight’s sparring ;)

          • bizzy gie

            The XB1’s GPU has 1.25 teraflops so maybe that quote isn’t quite correct.

            We’ll have to wait to see more, but we know XB1’s GPU.

          • Arthur Hughes

            your ignoring the simple fact that the video is nothing more then an advertising piece for the site and youtube channel

          • bizzy gie

            Wait. I never post facts. So by default, my comment is false right?

            By your logic?

            Someone else has to repost what I posted so it can be true again.

          • Arthur Hughes

            Have you noticed that almost nobody every agrees with you on anything? O thats right your just a narrow minded troll with no clue what is actually happening.

          • bizzy gie

            People don’t agree because most of what I post isn’t pro-XB1.

            This is an XB1 site.

          • Arthur Hughes

            no people don’t agree because what you say is false back by rumors or estimates that have no factual basis,

          • bizzy gie

            That’s what you want to believe because you favor XB1 as I favor PS4.

            We’re each entitled to our opinion.

          • Arthur Hughes

            not what i want to believe its the truth.

          • bizzy gie

            It’s not, but XB1 received a GPU boost.

            Yaaaaaay!!!

            XB1 positive.

            Let’s not bask in the negatives.

          • Arthur Hughes

            Was asking a legitimate question. Insinuating you have posted anything intellectual is insulting to everybody on this board.

          • bizzy gie

            That’s a personal opinion and nothing more.

          • Arthur Hughes

            it has a factual basing.

          • bizzy gie

            “Insinuating you have posted anything intellectual is insulting to everybody on this board.”

            That’s what you personally believe.

            It has no factual basing at all.

            Cheap attempt at trying to mock me.

          • Arthur Hughes

            The fact that its so true is what makes it a good mockery.

          • bizzy gie

            It’s not though. It’s an exaggeration of you believe I practice in the comment sections of various XB1 articles.

          • Arthur Hughes

            THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE

          • bizzy gie

            If that’s the case, then you remain forever trapped.

          • Arthur Hughes

            that was a fail attempt at mockery. you really have learned nothing

          • bizzy gie

            You have a great evening.

          • ImperialAgent

            But how can you compare when only the ps4’s stats are confirmed. We don’t know the x1’s gpu, its cpu, we don’t know if it has move engines or how many etc etc etc etc……

            so any comparison is just someone making stuff up….

          • ImperialAgent

            But how can you compare when only the ps4’s stats are confirmed. We don’t know the x1’s gpu, its cpu, we don’t know if it has move engines or how many etc etc etc etc……

            so any comparison is just someone making stuff up….

          • bizzy gie

            Possibly.

            We do know the GPU was clocked at 800MHz until recently and CPU is believed to be 1.6GHz.

            That’s most likely what was basis in the comparison.

          • bizzy gie

            In a small form it is, but we’ll have to wait for the actual consoles for more accurate comparisons.

          • RECKLESSgoat

            That videos is not even close to bieng accurate.

          • bizzy gie

            To a very small degree yes.

          • sd

            . < the . is your brain

          • ImperialAgent

            the full xb1 specs haven’t even been released yet…. its a speculation based on assumptions and like most of the joke that is the gaming media they present it as truth.

            This BS speculation over specs = big drama = stories = lots of hits on their site = comments = more hits on their site = $$$$$

            Simple.

            Although there are definitely cooler journos here and there the game industry media is largely no better than any other shit newspaper or hack website run by people who quite possibly don’t even like games half the time and who are there simply to do their boring day job and earn some money by making up stories or re-wording stories from other sites for people like you and me to eat up and fight over. For money. Just bear it in mind when they stir up these fights and make baseless comparisons. Fair enough that we want to know these things and want to discuss but their job is to create drama and to blow smoke up your arse so you feel good, feel that you’re right and keep coming back to read and argue. See through their dramas cuz a lot of it’s just to earn money, end of.

            Let’s at least wait till we know the full specs yeah?

          • bizzy gie

            End of what? END OF WHAT?!?!

          • sd

            your nonsense hopefully

      • ImperialAgent

        Not much of that is really a relevant reply to what I posted tbh.

        and yes. Even though I didn’t mention anything about trolls I suppose if someone comes onto an xbox one forum and badmouths the xbox one constantly that would make them a troll I suppose, yes. In fact I’d say that’s the very definition of a troll. This is an xbox one site so it’s a perfectly reasonable place to post something defending the xbox one and saying it could be a lot – A LOT – better than its been made out to be. There’s evidence that some people might not have been aware of and I wanted to share it with these cool folks on this forum who I’ve been posting with for the last couple of weeks. That ok with you?

        I think anyone with a fair and reasonable mind who reads what I posted above can see that I’m not going out of my way to badmouth the ps4 for the sake of it. The xbox one has received a lot of bad press over the last couple of months and the point I’m making is that while there’s reasons to buy a ps4 (I might get one for the exclusives at some point) the conclusion that half the internet seems to have come to is that the ps4 is definitely the superior console and may well be up to 50% more powerful. Anyone who looks at the evidence up to this point has to agree that that conclusion is – to put it simply – a f*cking joke.

        As for how many games we’ve definitely seen running at 1080p with 60 fps on xbox one so far – Dead Rising 3, Titanfall, Forza 5, Killer Instinct (which by the way features tonnes of particle effects and could well be the most graphically advanced fighting game to date). CoD: Ghosts apparently too but I can’t verify that. Ryse was 30fps at e3 but has probably the most advanced graphics out of all the next gen titles and is maybe a genre where it’s less essential anyway.

        The question at this stage is more which games on xb1 *don’t* run at 60fps. 60 fps seems to be the standard. While we’re yet to see a single one on ps4. In fact by several accounts Driveclub, Killzone and the very simple Knack were all struggling to stay at 30 fps at times.

        After the intense media B-S we’ve had the last 2 months it’s well worth pointing out.

        (I’ll just say in advance bizzie gie that I might not reply to you again about this just simply because I’ve already had 2 long posts and if I reply to every silly argument you manage to come up with I’ll probably end up taking up 90% of this comments section. Might do might not)

        • bizzy gie

          That’s not fair. We’ve over 10 exclusives from Xbox One.

          We’ve only seen 4 for PS4. Once we see all 30 exclusives, I’m sure plenty of them will be 60fps.

          Titanfall is a multiplat on PC so of course it was naturally going to be optimized for 60fps.

          Killer Instinct is a 2D fighting game that carries two characters at one time. It’s not a very heavy game to process at all.

          Forza is a long series that developers have been working on for over ten years.

          DriveClub was a 10-year thought, but didn’t begin development until very recently.

          Of course Forza 5 is 60fps.

          Dead Rising 3 is an open world game that’ll be flooded with zombies EVERYWHERE.

          The game can’t exist off of 30fps. It would freeze everywhere.

          DR3 only exists because it’s 60fps.

          Ryse has almost no gameplay value, but it is a beautiful movie.

          Let’s see more PS4 exclusives first.

          You can’t compare 4 exclusives to 15.

          If Sony announced 15 or all 30 exclusives, I guarantee you some of them would be 60fps too.

          • ImperialAgent

            Sry I’m confused what 15 games have we seen on xbox one?

          • bizzy gie
          • Arthur Hughes

            I keep forgetting about crimson dragon. Defiantly a game to look forward too.

          • bizzy gie

            I’m looking forward to Project Spark more than anything.

          • sd

            ……

          • ImperialAgent

            we haven’t seen them have we? of the ones we’ve definitely seen 4 out of 5 have been 60 fps. on ps3 0 out of 3 I think it is.

            It’s obviously a fair point and not something that can or should be dismissed out of hand. That’s very strong trend so it’s worth taking note of.

          • bizzy gie

            If COD is 60fps on XB1, it’ll be 60fps on PS4.

            15 vs. 4 is no fair comparison whatsoever.

            DriveClub is a new IP.

            Knack is a new IP.

            ShadowFall pushes intense graphicss.

            So does Second Son.

            We’ll have to wait for Sony to announce more of their exclusives.

          • ImperialAgent

            there is no 15 vs 4 you’re pullin that out of you’re arse.

            You cannot deny that there is a strong trend there. You have lost this argument.

          • bizzy gie

            I’ve “lost” nothing.

            If you can’t comprehend that MS has showed 15 exclusives in some fashion compared to Sony only revealing 4, there’s no helping you.

            Out XB1’s 15 exclusives, more than 4 of them run at 30fps.

            Allow Sony to reveal more of their 30 exclusives before assuming that only XB1 is capable 60fps currently.

          • Arthur Hughes

            not an assumption that xbox one is running 60fps

          • bizzy gie

            Allow Sony to reveal more of their 30 exclusives before assuming that ONLY XB1 is capable 60fps currently.

          • Arthur Hughes

            sony has 60fps games. they just seem to be having trouble doing it.

          • bizzy gie

            We don’t know. Sony has 26 exclusives in development we know nothing about.

            140 in all.

            PS4 will gave plenty 60fps games.

          • Arthur Hughes

            Yet in a FPS the most important genre to hit 60fps, they fail. great job making another mediocre game sony

          • bizzy gie

            Black Ops 3, BF3, and Halo all run at 30fps.

          • Arthur Hughes

            Black ops 3 does not exsist, however if your talking about black ops 2 it runs at 60fps.

            The frostbite engine on bf3 was to much to handle on the console last gen.

            Halo has been plagued by terrible fps since the beginning

          • bizzy gie

            I meant BO 2 and it does not run at 60fps. On paper it does, but on paper PS4 demolishes XB1(on paper means nothing is what I’m getting at here).

            Realistically you’re getting 45fps gameplay.

            BF3 and Halo are still very successful, triple A FPSs that run at 30fps.

            EA said FB 2 couldn’t run on Wii U which couldn’t be farther from the truth. Who knows if they were holding back or not?

          • xdlugia

            Black Ops 2 DOES run at 60 FPS. least stable on PS3 because of its architecture, but it runs a solid 60 FPS on Wii U and Xbox 360.
            And the fact that Infamous pushes Incredible Graphics is indeed true, but so does Forza Motorsport 5.

          • bizzy gie

            Infamous looks better.

            It’s easier to pull good graphics on racing games.

            Why do you think there are so many?

            It’s the best way to demonstrate graphical capabilities.

            Open world games with good graphics is much more rare.

          • sd

            silence is a virtue, use it

          • sd

            tool

          • The Clockwork Being

            EA is bullshiting about the Wii U thing.They stated that F3 can run on the Wii U but it isnt their priority

          • sd

            you will never learn.

          • ImperialAgent

            The original point isn’t how many 60fps games there are on each. Just that 1. We may have been lied to (very possible) 2. The xb1 may be much much stronger than we’ve been led to believe based on the games we’ve seen. So wait for any game demos and further announcements because there are clues that point to some interesting news ahead. I’m sure the ps4 will have 60 fps games but so far, at this early stage there is a clear, undeniable trend in the graphical power we’ve seen demonstrated for each console.

          • bizzy gie

            Well Xbox One has many more announced games.

          • sd

            you still jabbering on I see

          • The Clockwork Being

            Honestly the mdia brings its bullshit everywhere it goes. Look at the Wii U for example.

          • ImperialAgent

            how so with the wii u? Sry genuinely don’t know so much about it.

          • The Clockwork Being

            Well alot of people where saying that the Wii u couldnt run 1080p graphics at 60fps. But that was proven wrong. People are saying the Wii U is doing horrible in every country, when I is doing better than te PS3 and Xbox 360 in the same time laps. The media and stores immediately published the ii U pre-order number bt for some reason there is no pre-order nmbers for the x1 and PS4. Frosbite isnt running on the Wii U so peple are saying the Wii Us tech i weak but then Ea later confirmed saying that Frosbite does indeed run on the Wii U but isnt their priority to optimise it for the system. The Wii U is in alot of trouble but then we see a minor exclusive like Pikmin move systems almost tripling the sales numbers for the system in ony 2 days. But now some of the news are going towards the positive side

          • ImperialAgent

            Interesting, thanks. Yeah I’ve been pretty impressed with what I’ve seen. At the end of the day if it can run the games that Nintendo want to make with nice graphics and at 60 fps and 1080p then there’s no problem. They look good, from what I’ve seen anyway.

            Hopefully the bad press doesn’t kill it. They’ll always have quite a few loyal fans, they could maybe advertise a bit more though I don’t really see much of that.

          • The Clockwork Being

            Yeah I though that too. Advertisement is lacking. I don’t think the XboxOne will lack that advertisement, I mean every time I leave my outlook/hotmail account it is just right there. Im just thinking their ads should clear up all the non sense that is being thrown at.

          • sd

            eh i fell asleep

          • sd

            Tape your hands to your mouth, so you cant talk or type.

          • ImperialAgent

            lmao :)

          • ImperialAgent

            We haven’t seen 15 exclusives being played that’s simply not true. We’ve seen plenty of trailers from both sides but we’ve seen about 4 games played on ps4 and about 6 on xb1. If there are more that we’ve seen then name them.

            Trailers and games being “revealed” is not what we’re talking about. You do get that you can’t talk about fps from trailers and PR announcements, yes?

            I’m done with this it’s stupid.

          • bizzy gie

            EXCLUSIVE game videos we saw from XB1:

            Titanfall (not really an exclusive)

            Sunset Overdrive

            Project Spark

            Forza 5

            Halo

            Ryse

            Killer Instinct

            Dead Rising 3

            EXCLUSIVE game videos we saw from PS4:

            Killzone ShadowFall

            Infamous Second Son

            Knack

            DriveClub

            The Order 1886

          • sd

            My god man will you ever learn. SHUSH

          • sd

            SSSHHH

          • sd

            Please be quiet.

          • sd

            Please just shut up.

          • TomDobo

            Xbox doesn’t just have 15 exclusives. There just the ones coming out within the first year. Ps4 will have roughly the same coming out in the first year but they got 30 in production. No one knows how many xbox has in production yet.

          • bizzy gie

            They have 15 in all. If there any more XB1 exclusives, they haven’t begun development yet.

            Remember, MS is company that felt comfortable with only 3 exclusives for a whole generation counting on early content.

            They have 15 now which I know they’re more than comfortable with. I doubt you’ll see anymore.

          • TomDobo

            Yeah i know but they will get more this generation to compete.

          • bizzy gie

            Maybe, but I highly doubt it.

        • Austin Burn

          *IDEA* why don’t we wait until the consoles actually fucking come out before we evaluate them -_-

          • ImperialAgent

            Don’t try and act all superior… especially when your point is a confused and inaccurate one. At the end of the day 90% of the internet has already evaluated the consoles and come to a very assured opinion on them both. My original posts are simply pointing out the facts as they are at the moment and stating that all may not be as it we’ve been told. They are facts that are easy to miss because of the bombardment of PR and controversy that the media has been pumping out in recent months so I wanted to share them with the people I’ve recently been talking with on this forum. That not ok with you?

            Obviously we can’t come to any final conclusion at this stage and I make no such claim. My post can be summed up in the following sentence “the media have given us a very clear picture in recent months but I believe that picture excludes some things that you might want to take a look at and might change your view. Here they are.”

            What does “evaluate” mean in this context anyway? We can see the games being played, hear things about them and read previews etc. We can look at facts like hardware, release schedules and the various services on offer. This is something that everyone does and yes its an estimate or a choice based on an incomplete picture but there’s nothing wrong with that. Do teach us how to behave correctly wise Austin should we make no evaluation whatsoever at this stage? Should I simply toss a coin before placing my preorder?

            Someone on this forum has thanked me for the research I did and said he had missed those points (easily done). So obviously it helped him to have a wider, clearer view of things which was my intention in writing it. It never was some final conclusion, was it?

            So sit down and shut the f*ck up. Please don’t bring your deluded arrogant bullsh*t to me again. There was nothing wrong with what I posted it was a fair presentation of some facts and statements from game devs and journalists that were worth mentioning.

          • Austin Burn

            woah woah woah, calm down there bucko, im not trying to start a flamewar in the internet, ive read your arguement, you are obviously a sony fanboy, i have no problem with that, as for “flip a coin” logic that is correct, to a degree. what was shown at e3 is what brought most people to their choice oc console, however these are devkits, not production consoles, im not argueing for either side, i just think that the pre-orders are based off of either fan boying, which i have no problem with or people wanting exclusive titles, no problem with that either, basically what i was trying to say is that we can not really evaluate both consoles fully until they are released. now if you would please stop forcing your views down other peoples throats like a jahovas witness i, amongst others would be happy. i do not feel superior over anyone, im an average joe, with a general sense of right and wrong, you dont have to think the way i do, just please dont be an asshole to others as you were to me.

          • ImperialAgent

            well… look at it this way. We’ve had months of really aggressive BS from trolls and the press towards the xb1 and recently I’ve come across quite a lot of information that casts doubt on the view that xb1 is obviously inferior. I thought it was well worth sharing with people because the information was the kind that can easily get lost in amongst all the other media BS.

            Someone’s already thanked me for that information and the effort researching it because they hadn’t seen it, then you come along and say what you said.

            “now if you would please stop forcing your views down other peoples throats like a jahovas witness i, amongst others would be happy.” That’s completely backwards… At the end of the day I just wanted to offer some more information which has been swept aside by much of the media so that people can be better informed. It’s you that then came along and said something which basically amounted to “STFU” when others appreciated it.

            Two last points – “you are obviously a sony fanboy” did you even read my freakin’ essay at the top of this page defending xb1? What are you even talkin about? Sony fanboy?? That’s really weird…

            and fair enough if you didn’t know this but at this stage for the xb1 – devkit = xb1. With xb1 architecture inside that the devs are not aloud to see (the box is always powered and has security devices etc.

            I’m not being a dick and I’m perfectly within my rights to discuss these things and to share new information with people I’ve enjoyed posting with recently without being told that I should shut up by you. What I posted actually had real information and good witnesses and others felt it was valuable.

          • Austin Burn

            shit… i realize everything ive said to you i was directing to bizzie g xD

          • ImperialAgent

            lol funny as f*ck :D

            alright. peace

    • Josh Melton

      Thank you, for such a delightful post what a great read.. I liked how you taken the time to researched and found those articles on the internet..Not sure how I missed those. XBox One sounds like a dream console…disagree about Sony being a broken company they’re starting to turn things around.

      • ImperialAgent

        Thanks for saying thank you. Very kind of you. Yeah I had no idea myself till a couple of weeks ago. Just the way the media seemed so sure of the xb1 specs when as far as I could see MS had only released a few details. They all seemed 100% sure about everything. Just seemed like bullsh*t.

        I started making a list of things that didn’t add up and kept searching for more then found this blog.

        http://misterxmedia.livejournal.com/

        Some very cool, very intelligent people posting there (and a few trolls of course). Also quite a few posts from an games industry insiders. Some people have understood and been watching this stuff for over a year. Some of it’s definitely over my head but I can follow some of the really techy stuff and the rest is really good. Well worth a read.

        As for Sony being a broken company. Well they were down to 10% of their earlier value. So they were a sinking ship but they’re breaking even now I think so yeah maybe they have turned it around. But still MS are in a very strong position so it would be weird for them to produce a weaker console. Sony couldn’t spend much on R&D and must make a profit on the console. MS can do what they want, the industry is theirs if they want it. They have big plans for Illumiroom & Kinect 2.0 for all areas of life, they commit so much money to making them and to the cloud and devote 300k servers for XBL then marry those with a substandard console? and the weaker console of the two? Sounds like madness to me.

        Just don’t hunt me down if I’m wrong :D just presenting the evidence and my opinion. Though it is a strong case imho.

  • Morris ヅ

    as long as its stable then its ok to overclock it so as time go’s on they may clock it higher then 900 mayb…. stability is key

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Omar-Bachara/1201000990 Omar Bachara

    This is most likely due to that some multiplats were dropping frame rates and they had to address it with this gpu bump, nothing major in my opinion it needed to be done.

    • ImperialAgent

      which games?

      • Arthur Hughes

        lol, Agent your turning into a good anti troller. Its funny how they post this crap with no proof. This is the same guy that called titanfall a Timed exclusive.

        • ImperialAgent

          “Anti troller” You honour me, kind sir :D Yeah its been a tough time for us members of the Xbox Defence Force but I believe the tide is turning :P

          Regarding the multiplats thing it’s generally exclusives we’ve seen for each console. We saw a demo of AC4 stutter loads as it went on then completely freeze eventually but that was on ps4…. so I genuinely don’t know what that’s about.

          • Arthur Hughes

            I usually never post on a site unless i have a question, but when i saw the trolls here posting stupid rumors as fact and generally lying about everything. I decided to start.

          • ImperialAgent

            Similar story here. Just a few weeks ago I was getting a ps4 but got swayed by a couple of games on the xb1. Since then the media whitewash/ aggressive fanboyism has annoyed me more and more. I haven’t owned a console in ages and never owned an xbox but the more I see biased pro ps4 articles and ridiculous posts the more these people turn me into a loyal xbox fan that’s getting more and more vocal. Had enough of this inaccurate sh*te.

          • Arthur Hughes

            The trolls here are special. They are not like normal trolls they actually believe they are telling the truth.

            And welcome to xbox live. “The place where your CC info isn’t stolen” :)

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Omar-Bachara/1201000990 Omar Bachara

            AC 4 was ran on a Comp with a PS4 controller they do this all the time even xbox one games were ran on a Comp this is common practice at E3

          • ImperialAgent

            Plenty of devs disagree with you. I’ve posted some of their replies in my first post.

            Drop that argument its a lie. As for AC4 – yeah whatever, was just wondering what you meant in your first post and that was all I could think of.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Omar-Bachara/1201000990 Omar Bachara

            whatever the case im entitled to my Opinion right or not

          • Arthur Hughes

            entitled to lie yes. but doing so just makes you a pathetic human being.

          • ImperialAgent

            it’s not an opinion when there’s knowledge available to you that you’re discarding so that you can keep thinking the same way. You’re just choosing to believe a lie.

            “Yeah, not true. We were showing mostly PC and weren’t hiding it. We also showed the game running on proper Xbox One devkits at 60fps. Please don’t spread fud :)”

            http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=64150541&postcount=511

          • Josh Melton

            Agree with you about AC4 gameplay at E3

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Omar-Bachara/1201000990 Omar Bachara

          Titan fall is a Timed exclusive but when that time comes i will find you to bug the hell of out u

          • Arthur Hughes

            lol you might be as bad as bizzie if you posted more. need to up your game your only the #2 troll in here.

          • Josh Melton

            Agreed, days of 3rd parties exclusives are over

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Omar-Bachara/1201000990 Omar Bachara

        educated guess its obvious

  • Shane Foo

    I’m no tech wiz, so when it comes to specs I don’t try to involve myself in arguments but I have a question: Does the Xbox’s access to the new and exclusive DirectX 11.2 and the slight graphics gain from cloud computing put the Xbox One’s rumored specs at a graphics capability on par with the Ps4s base hardware specs? I mean, I expected ps4 to have slightly better hardware and compact design, they are after all a huge hardware electronic device company , while Xbox One is a software company, is evidently seen through the Xbox Ones amazing features. So back to first question, how much of an effect will those 2 graphic enhancing features actually have? Thanks for the answer in advanced. :)

    • sd

      Your response is going to depend on who is asking. So far it is very difficult to be sure as it is mostly all theoretical and there are a lot of factors. From everything I have read the CPU in both are pretty much the same. The memory, well which one has the advantage is really up for debate. The PS4 has faster memory, but the xbox has more efficient memory. Also From what I have heard I think the PS4 is actually only using 4gb of memory for games with another 500mb of floating memory. Again this is a rumour and not completely revealed so could be wrong and might change. The xbox one supposedly has 3GB reserved for the OS so if the rumours are true it would have a small amount of extra memory available.
      Next the GPU. Before the upgrade based on certain aspects of the GPUs in both machine the PS4 was theoretically 50% more powerful. With this speed increase I dont know if it is still 50% more powerful. How the hardwares perform based on real world tests is also another matter. But so far the only real edge that the PS4 has is likley based on the GPU. Even if this were 50% more powerful it deosnt make the console 50% more powerful as it is only one aspect. The software in the xbox is potentially more efficient, but like all software it will vary by the game it is running.

      Cloud computing questions are a whole new area and both could utilise this as well.

      In the end I really dont think either will have much advantage based on everything revealed so far.
      Not sure if that in any way answers your question, but basically I say they will be so close to one another that no one will be able to tell.

      Now enter the PS4 troll.

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