Microsoft kills rumors of a Kinect-free Xbox One bundle

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Finally putting the rumors to rest, Microsoft confirmed that it has no plans to release a Kinect-free Xbox One bundle. Such an idea would go against the company’s claim that its new console needs the motion tracker in order to operate.

“We have no plans to introduce an Xbox One without Kinect,” a Microsoft spokesperson told Kotaku. “We believe in Kinect and the value it brings to both games and entertainment, and believe $499 is a great value for what consumers receive with their Xbox One.”

So there you have it folks, straight from Redmond. The Xbox One will not have a Kinect-free bundle. Now if we can only find out what happens if the Xbox One’s motion tracker becomes inoperable.

[Kotaku]

  • Parish Gilliam

    This Sucks. . Oh Well. At Least The Restrictions Are Gone, Thank God!

    • bizzy gie

      What does DRM have to do with this?

      • Jon

        I think he is saying at least the DRM restrictions are gone instead of having both this AND the restrictions.

        • bizzy gie

          That feels kind of cheap.

          I mean let’s say in 2015, MS charges a $5 fee to play a disc game you already paid for on XB1 (for other people reading this comment-this is a hypothetical nothing more).

          That’s like me saying “It sucks that we have to basically pay $65 for games, but at least we don’t have those restrictions.”

          It’s kind of irrelevant at this point.

          Bringing up that the restrictions are gone doesn’t really change the negativity of having to pay $65 for games just like it doesn’t change the negativity of Kinect never being optional ever.

          • Jon

            but here is the thing, the restrictions are gone, not there at this moment and there has not been anything saying they will bring them back so claiming that “what if” (or let’s say in your terms) is really the most irreverent thing brought up because there has been nothing said that the would equal your “what if” statement. The fact that the Kinect still needs to be hooked up to the Xone is kind of concerning for some but with the restrictions removed, a lot of people like that so he is saying that even though this is not that great of news, at least the previous plans with the restrictions will be no more.

          • bizzy gie

            There’s just no need to bring it up at this point.

            The fact that Kinect is 100% required doesn’t go away because some other bad thing about XB1 is no longer there.

          • Parish Gilliam

            Thanks For Clearing It Up Jon You Understood what I Mean Lol.

          • bizzy gie

            I know what you meant as well, but, to me, it felt not needed.

          • Parish Gilliam

            I understand but still just requirements after requirements is crazy. Especially needing a camera i will hardly use but it is what it is.

          • bizzy gie

            Gotcha.

          • Shane

            A camera you will not need? You are wrong. This is a good thing in my opinion. In fact, I think it’s an advantage over the PS4. Game developers will now be assured that EVERY owner of an XB1 has a Kinect and can now add features to multi-platform games to adhere to this. For example, future first person shooters such as I don’t know, et’s say CoD. Makers can now look at the XB1 and say “Oh look, everyone has Kinect, lets add exclusive features to make it cooler!!”. Thus, everyone with XB1 has features like throwing grenades or melee hits with realistic hand motions, while Ps4 players, since not everyone has the camera feature would only have the option of using the console’s typical controller. The reason you think you won’t use it, is because not everyone had it before in Xbox 360, and so game developers only favored to people who had it as exclusive games. Now that you will have it, along with everyone else, you can’t possibly say you won’t use it.

          • Parish Gilliam

            Yes its cool but at the same time i know they will hardly support the camera like the first kinect. Cameras arent a big deal, I dont see having this Kinect Camera puts an advantage over PS4? Im still getting a xbox one and ps4 just saying i like the idea of sony giving you an option to wanting the camera or not. In my opinion it’s just a waste of Money and time.

          • Shane

            But that’s exactly what I’m trying to say. The only reason the kinect gen 1 wasn’t supported was because not everyone had it. Now that game developers know everyone will have it in their household, they will be able to support it exceedingly higher than they did with the first kinect that no one had. And I just explained the advantage. Maybe not for sales and in terms of sales for microsoft, but in gamer quality, It’s evident that it will be.

          • Parish Gilliam

            Maybe, it does make sense but i just don’t feel ppl will care but you probably are right tho. Well See..

  • HyperionLight

    Jon: Do we make kinect 2.0 optional?
    Jim: Yes let’s spend millions on R&D and then sell it optionally for $250 so that no one buys it….
    Jon: Why?! Isn’t Sony doing the same thing?
    Jim: ahahahahaha… wait! Are you being serious?!

    • bizzy gie

      PS Eye costs $60.

      • HyperionLight

        Indeed and that’s one of the reasons they’re selling it optionally, but there are a few things I was wondering about.

        How much does it cost to make the eye and is Sony selling it at a loss? Wasn’t Sony going to include the eye with every ps4 and sell it for $499? If so why are they selling the eye for $60?

        And by selling the eye optionally I wonder how many gamers are going to get one.

        And then there is the cost of R&D for the new eye/controller.

        I hope the guys at Sony know what they’re doing especially with the financial problems they’re having.

        • bizzy gie

          It’s not nearly the loss MS is taking on the Kinect.

          The PS4 was going to be $500 with PS Eye and Knack.

          Even still, it’s only a $40 loss.

          MS is at least taking a $150 loss on Kinect.

          • misterhearn

            Never heard anything confirming that either company is taking a loss on their new hardware. Also, never heard anything other than speculation stating that Sony planned on bundling the PS Eye with the PS4. This is also the first time I’ve heard anything about the addition of Knack as well. Do you have something other than rumors that actually proves this?

          • bizzy gie

            They’re not rumors. For a gaming writer, you should be up-to-date on this news.

            Sony has long confirmed they were going to ship PS Eye with PS4, but dropped it at the last minute to have a cheaper price tag.

            Kinect cost almost as much as the XB1 to make. Either the XB1 is worth only $250 or MS is taking a loss on Kinect.

          • Arthur Hughes

            Care to prove anything you just said? 1 developer saying how much Microsoft is paying for something is crazy. PS4 being bundled with eye i have seen, Hence the pointless light on your controller. but Knack being with it, completely made up

          • bizzy gie
          • Arthur Hughes

            hey derp would like you to read this line from what you posted

            “Whether this is a future bundle that will be available, some kind of
            mock-up hoax, or the original configuration of the PS4′s release remains
            up in the air.”

            i feel sorry for you

          • bizzy gie

            It states that the bundle was either the original bundle or a future one.

          • Arthur Hughes

            or some kind of mock-up hoax.

            dont worry derp you will get their one day.

            Hey news flash their will be a Xbox one bundle with Halo 5 in the future.

          • bizzy gie

            Article (even though it’s common sense as Halo 5 is one of three of the most known MS exclusives)?

            And I doubt it’s a hoax considering how many articles there are on the subject.

            There was even a leaked official photo.

            Link: http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/27/ps4-bundle-with-ps-eye-camera-and-knack-leaked-report/

          • Arthur Hughes

            you really just post 3 links from the same site? stating that it must be true because 3 articles at the same place say so.

          • bizzy gie

            I stated 2 articles from the same site and one from another.

            Knowing your low level of intellectual competence, I wouldn’t expect you to have the basic human ability of counting.

          • Arthur Hughes

            Here’s another article stating the same:http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/2

            And another excluding Knack: http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/2

            Link: http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/2

            dippity derp derp

          • bizzy gie

            Two of those articles are the same (XD you’re so stupid it’s unreal). I used the same article for Mark that I used for you.

          • Arthur Hughes

            its ok derp, you will figure it out one day

          • bizzy gie

            ???

            Must mean I won the argument. :)

          • Arthur Hughes

            You have been wrong from the beginning, still wrong now. and when the next story posts you will be wrong again.

          • bizzy gie

            Whatever you say pal.

            Scrounge up any turd of dignity you can manage.

          • Arthur Hughes

            great comeback, dont worry you will get a clue one day and learn how to do 10 secs of research before posting something so stupid and ignorant.

          • bizzy gie

            You forgot “derp” and “troll”.

            You’re very repetitive and unoriginal. You’re in no position to discuss comebacks.

          • Arthur Hughes

            so i dont say derp and troll, and that makes me repetitive and unoriginal. I would for you to go and check out this site it will be helpful in your future posts

            http://www.dictionary.com

          • bizzy gie

            Very irrelevant reply. My vocabulary is far more diverse extended than yours. No need for the link.

            You overuse “get a clue” and have used “troll” and “derp” to a ludicrous extent.

          • Arthur Hughes

            did it really take you that long to come up with a reply, using a big word like ludicrous probably took a lot out of you.

            Saying ” My vocabulary is far more diverse extended than yours”

            Try going “My capacious lexicon exceeds the miniscule jargon, you escort to these proceedings “

          • bizzy gie

            The sentence you provided contains little to no literal meaning and my reply did not take that long. ‘Ludicrous’ isn’t even a “big” word.

            Go to sleep. It’s late. Get a life. Do something.

            I believe PS4 is far superior to XB1 and you believe the opposite. Let’s leave it at that.

            Stop replying to my comments. Especially the ones where I’m not even conversing with you.

            You have nothing productive to share and you waste my time.

          • Arthur Hughes

            you have nothing but lies to spew, and you hate being called out, I understand but the only way it stops is for you to stop lying or GTFO

          • bizzy gie

            I don’t lie. You can’t accept truth if it’s not in your favor.

            I would feel sorry for your primitive, elementary mind, but you’re not worth it.

          • Arthur Hughes

            lol omg you make me laugh. now your trying to use big words to try and sound like you have a brain. Dont worry man one day you may have the ability to not be such an idiot.

          • The Unknown Legacy

            There’s no point of comparing a camera that is OPTIONAL and one that is MANDATORY. Of course Kinect 2.0 has more work on it considering it’s mandatory. But that doesn’t mean PS eye doesn’t have potential.

            You guys should both stop because every argument you have ends up filling the comments with nothing but hate and negativity.

            This goes to the both of you. Whether one is right or wrong it doesn’t matter because you both have different points of views and opinions. You guys should have realized this considering almost every new article you end up filling the comments.

            bizzy gie, you don’t need to complain about every detail and Arthur you don’t need to bash everything made for Sony because BOTH cameras have not been out and the only thing the companies are saying about it is what they want you to believe. We can’t judge anything until they’re both out but even after that, it’s still about opinions so quit this useless argument and continue with your life knowing you’re lucky enough to pre-order a next gen console and get the chance to try them.

          • Arthur Hughes

            I dont bash everything sony, I actually own a PS3, will buy a PS4. I bash everything Derpy Gie their tries to pass off as fact.

          • misterhearn

            Feel free to provide a source link with an actual quote from Sony confirming any part of what you’re saying. As for Kinect costing as much as the Xbox One, again another rumor that was covered here as a rumor. Huge difference between rumors and facts.

          • bizzy gie
          • misterhearn

            An unproven picture of what could be concept bundle means nothing. Again, do you have something from Sony actually confirming this? As for the price of Kinect, do you really consider someone on the internet claiming to be a developer to be proof for how much it costs Microsoft to build one? Feel free to link something with facts not speculation.

          • bizzy gie

            Judging by your comment, you looked at the picture and read nothing.

            Here’s another article stating the same:http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/27/ps4-bundle-with-ps-eye-camera-and-knack-leaked-report/

            And another excluding Knack: http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/26/sony-declined-to-bundle-ps4-camera-in-order-to-best-xbox-one-price-report/

            It could be some random person claiming to an MS rep, but that means I could go on reddit pretending to be a Sony rep stating that the PS4 supports 4K gaming and get plenty of attention from that.

            I doubt it’d be THAT easy. I’d have to have some relation to Sony or some significance before I even make it on half as many articles as the MS rep on reddit did.

          • Arthur Hughes

            I heard the ps4 is going to come with a flesh light from a guy on reddit, It has to be true

          • bizzy gie

            There’s an LED light on the back of the DS4 controller.

          • Arthur Hughes

            hmmm i think you need to look up Flesh Light and the joke that was made in that post will make up more sense.

          • bizzy gie

          • Shane

            LMAO!

          • sd

            I have heard the xbox one memory speed wipes the floor with the PS4 memory. Lets make that fact.

          • bizzy gie

            That’s most likely inaccurate as PS4 is much more powerful device.

          • sd

            yes but all of the rumours you report are accurate!

          • Arthur Hughes

            “MS is at least taking a $150 loss on Kinect.”

            Got Proof? No? Oh I See you just made it up on the spot to try and make a point? Great job Im sure somebody out their will take you seriously one day.

          • HyperionLight

            I’m not anti Sony or anything, but are you sure MS is taking the bigger loss here? They bundled the kinect with every x1 so they’re basically selling the kinect in bulk. And that usually tends to lower production costs.

            And about the development cost for the PS eye, the original kinect went for $150 and I think the ps eye based on specs would be in the same price range.

          • bizzy gie

            You’d think. While PS Eye is significantly more powerful than the FIRST Kinect, it’s $90.

            Sony doesn’t see the need overcharge for something people may or may not use.

            If it’s true that Kinect cost as much XB1, that’d be a pretty big loss unless XB1 is worth only under $300.

          • Arthur Hughes

            holy shit man, PSEYE Significantly more powerful then the first kinect, Please link your source you derpity retard

          • bizzy gie

            Don’t be a moron. PS Eye has TWO HD cameras with a sensitive microphone array.

            The first Kinect was far from HD, was very unresponsive, very laggy, and very glitchy.

            Stop being such a fanboy. You don’t need a link for everything that’s against your precious Xbox.

          • Arthur Hughes

            That tracks the light on the end of a stick or your controller way better then the kinect 1.0 great job on posting more bullshit

          • bizzy gie

            I’m talking about PS4’s PS Eye.

            Not the PS3 version.

            It’s like you don’t even know Sony has made a new camera specifically for their latest console.

          • Arthur Hughes

            Yes the PS4 Eye that is so powerful it has to use a light on the controller in order to track it.

          • bizzy gie

            It allows for better motion movements with the controller. PS Eye can detect the light a display health bars or detect who’s holding a certain controller. It’s a really cool technology system.

          • Arthur Hughes

            The fact that it needs the light at all is odd, and having the light show your health? you mean i have to look at my controller to see how much health i have?

          • bizzy gie

            The light is also used to determine which player you are.

            PS Eye is also capable of tracking people as well. It’s not dependent on an LED.

          • Arthur Hughes

            why does it need a light to tell who you are.

      • Arthur Hughes

        you know whats funny about the pseye. It doesn’t sell. The kinect slaughtered the PSeye in sales, even tho it cost more.

        Its a piece of garbage webcam, with software to track a light watch out innovation my head is going to explode.

        • bizzy gie

          You do know that there is a new camera accessory for PS4 right?

          It has two HD cameras and four microphones. It’s never been on the market before.

          • Arthur Hughes

            and no developers would put any time or effort into it at all still.

            want to hear the secret why? Because only a few would sell

          • sd

            The playstation eye “It detects the motion of PS Move more precisely, and reflects players’ in-game motion more accurately than ever.”

            The new kinect “Kinect Real Motion technology tracks even the slightest gestures. So a simple squeeze of your hand results in precisecontrol over a game or app. Whether you’re standing up or sitting down.”

            I wouldnt even try to compare the two cameras.

          • bizzy gie

            I wasn’t comparing the two, but you very much can.

            PS Eye has two cameras giving it a wider field of view than Kinect 2.0. This also means one eye can track controllers/people while the other tracks movement.

            It also has a 4 microphone array that spreads across the entire device each microphone with a dedicated panel.

            Kinect 2.0 is better, but keep in mind that Sony didn’t spend as much for PS Eye.

          • sd

            But it still requires move controller. Kinect 2 is MUCH better. I would even say the kinect one is better from I have seen on the PS eye.
            But its not an issue for the PS4 and wont have any baring on the games. Mostly because barely anyone will buy it and there are minimal to no games for it.

          • bizzy gie

            PS Eye’s primary focus isn’t motion games, or pointless voice commands, or creepy heartbeat tracking.

            It supports PS Move, but its primary focus is working in conjunction with the DS4 controller which has Move technology in it.

            It allows for minor motion controls with the DS4 controller not possible with the Kinect/XB1 controller set up.

            Kinect is a bit better, but remember this: MS is investing a lot more money, time, and focus into Kinect.

            Sony hasn’t nearly expressed as much concern for PS Eye and has spent less than half on the camera than MS did with Kinect 2.0 and look at how powerful it is.

            PS Eye can do things Kinect can’t thanks to its double camera setup and its controller conjunction.

          • Arthur Hughes

            OMFG, you are ignorant as fuck.

            You know why you dont need a light on the xbox one controller, because it can see it. It can see you pull the trigger on the controller. It can see the minor variations in your hands movements. It doesnt need to be integrated into the controller. It can Even do all this in the dark with its infrared camera.

            And as stated before the PS eye will be a complete after thought because a majority of ps4 owners will not own it.

          • bizzy gie

            PS Eye can also track where a person is in the room. It has better depth perception due to it having two cameras…

            Wait. Is this coming from the same guy who claimed Kinect sold well even though Kinect was optional?

            Hmmmm…

          • Arthur Hughes

            Yes and that kinect stomped what the ps3 eye sold. and you do realize the Kinect 2.0 does that as well.

          • bizzy gie

            Judging from your comments, you didn’t even know the PS Eye for PS4 existed.

            PS Eye is capable of things Kinect 2.0 isn’t simply due to it having two cameras. FACT.

            Overall, Kinect is better, but only because more money and focus was invested into it.

          • sd

            Yes MS are putting money into their device. Yes their device is more powerful. Yes their device will succeed. How useful was the original ps camera. How good was the move. How many games did it support. What has been announced for this device that is game changing. Not rumours. List the games and the features that are being used with this that are new. I give you evidence all the time, based on what is definately being done, but you ignore it because you are narrow minded and unwilling to listen.

          • bizzy gie

            You repeating what I’ve already doesn’t really help anything. Kinect may not succeed. You can’t predict the future.

            Kinect has some cute, little tricks, but nothing that makes the thing a must-have.

            I’m not narrow minded. You just don’t take time to understand my point. Hopefully, the post I tried to make stupidly easy to understand in the other article will help you understand.

      • Guest

        On in your country.

        • bizzy gie

          It’s never been sold anywhere.

          • sd

            Dont no what happened with that post. It was one I almost started but didnt finish. I was going to say that in Australia PS eye is $100, The PS4 is $550, so together thats $650. The Xbox one is $600. So its much better value here. Oh and we use Aussie dollars which is a $ sign. :-) , just so you dont get confused again.

          • bizzy gie

            I get currencies, but U.S. dollars are valued more than Australian dollars.

            However, the PS Eye is optional meaning PS4 is still cheaper.

          • sd

            But at $50au difference the xbox one is better value for money in Australia. Neither of these consoles are even a weeks wage based on the minimum wage in australia. So both are good value, but for only $50 au more and you get a kinect. I would say thats better value.

            Also you get currencies, thats funny, should I remind you one of our previous discussions. It certainly didnt like seem you got anything then.

          • bizzy gie

            Stop jacking off. I took a lazy, quick guess. I understand currencies.

            PS4 is a better value as it is much more powerful than XB1.

            Not mention it has more games coming to it. PSN is also a cheaper online service.

            Kinect will justified when there is an actual good use for it. Little gimmicks and tricks are nifty, but nothing game-changing.

          • Arthur Hughes

            we have been through this before. power differnce is negligble
            Xbox one and PS4 have the same amount of launch games currently (actually last time i looked xbox one had 1 more launch game)
            PSN and Xbox Live cost the same if you have 2 brain cells
            Kinect is game changing

          • Talesgirl015

            Sorry Bizzy, due to your Govt out of control spending spree the U.S dollar is almost worthless.. it’s common knowledge everybody in my school knows Aussie dollars are more valued,then U.S dollar…

          • bizzy gie

            According to the article you posted: “The Australian dollar is worth more than the US dollar FOR THE FIRST TIME since it became a freely traded currency” meaning I wasn’t wrong in my post.

            This is new occurrence that I wasn’t aware of due to its relatively new nature.

          • Talesgirl015

            You were half-correct, that’s why I corrected you with that being,U.S dollar used to have more value then Aussie dollars,but not anymore since other countries are seeing,the dollar as worthless to them..

            U.S. dollar collapse is on the very near horizon

          • bizzy gie

            No it’s not.

            Why would you even post that?

            I don’t live in the U.K. or Australia, but I don’t wish bad upon any of them.

            Inflation will generally rise all over the world not just America.

          • Talesgirl015

            Don’t worry, I believe you know your currencies…

          • bizzy gie

            You’re pathetic. I have no respect for you.

            You post opposing claims to various replies that don’t suck MS’ cock then when someone counters what you’ve posted, you don’t reply back.

            Anything you post is irrelevant. You’re a waste of time.

          • Talesgirl015

            Bizzy, Once again, I don’t care about MS or Sony hope they both do well and push each other to succeed this gen, due to being 16 years old, I am only allow to used internet for 30 minutes, a day without my parents permission

          • Talesgirl015

            Brizzy, I am one of the few around here who don’t consider you as a troll, never have I ever attacked you for your gaming beliefs on XBox One and PS4, I get why you don’t trust MS, or want to hold them accountable that’s fair…

            unlike you, I did not result to name calling

          • bizzy gie

            You’re not on the site very often, but when you are, it’s usually pro-MS posts.

            Usually, when I see a BS statement and try to counter, I never get a reply so the point is never affectively argued.

            And didn’t you already reply to this comment once?

          • Arthur Hughes

            This might be the funniest thing ever posted by bizzy. The man of a 1000 bs posts trys to count bs posts.

          • bizzy gie

            I have no time for your foolishness.

          • Arthur Hughes

            Did you figure out why your achievement post is wrong yet

  • bizzy gie

    That last sentence is the same question I’ve had since I found out Kinect was mandatory for XB1’s functionality.

    • RECKLESSgoat

      If my kinect 2.0 breaks I am not buying a new one, MS better fix it…. I hope

      • bizzy gie

        Seriously, but how long will you have to go without playing XB1 while you wait for them to fix it or ship out a new one?

        • RECKLESSgoat

          True that, I might wait for weeks cause obviously I wont be the only one with a broken kinect lol…. but I hopefully will get my hands on a ps4 around december and start gaming mainly on it (im actually more of a playstation guy) :P

  • RECKLESSgoat

    It was obvious that the rumor was fake :/

  • Jason

    Man.. I was hoping…

  • Ducked

    I’m fine with the kinect 2.0 coming in the bundle. But why does it need it to function? If my Kinect somehow breaks then I can’t play my Xbox One? Not a big deal I guess…

    • Arthur Hughes

      Microsoft has yet to answer about this issue. And nothing in this story says anything about if your kinect is broke you cant play your xbox one.

      • Ducked

        I just brought it up because Microsoft has been quiet on that. It really suck if it were the case, although at least there’s a small chance of it actually breaking.

    • bizzy gie

      You’re not missing anything. That’s exactly the case.

      • Ducked

        Well that’s a bummer

      • Shane

        You guys are thinking of Kinect as an accessory. Microsoft has repeatedly said that if not for gamers wanting the Kinect to be higher up or in different vantage viewpoints, it would of been internally installed within the console itself. The Kinect IS a part of the console just as much as the hard drive and graphics card. Obviously if a part of a console were to break, the console as a whole would not be able to function.

  • locsphere

    Maybe I can go in and snip the wires to the Microphone and camera?

  • locsphere

    This makes the console a no buy, I will not be forced to have something I will never use. Never force a product on your consumer.